Avokati i Kadri Veselit, Ben Emmerson, ka gjetur se raporti i hartuar nga Abrahams ka cituar Fondin p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare. E Fondi sipas tij, i kishte marr\u00eb burimet nga mediat serbe.<\/p>\n
K\u00ebt\u00eb e ka pranuar edhe vet\u00eb d\u00ebshmitari Abrahams.<\/p>\n
Emmerson: A do iu befasonte t\u00eb dini se n\u00eb disa raste kur keni p\u00ebrshkruar nj\u00eb ngjarje, ose kur keni th\u00ebn\u00eb se ka ndodhur nj\u00eb ngjarje, kur keni cituar raportet e Fondit Humanitar, burimi i cituar nga Fodni p\u00ebr t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebn rast \u00ebsht\u00eb media serbe. A iu befason kjo?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Do t\u00eb doja ta shoh\u00eb dokumentin.<\/p>\n
Emmerson: Ju mund ta shikoni k\u00ebt\u00eb dokument q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb burimi q\u00eb ju keni cituar n\u00eb raportin tuaj dhe Fondi p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare. Kemi nj\u00eb referenc\u00eb p\u00ebr kidnapimin e Branko Stalitiq…burimi shihet q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb media e Beogradit.<\/p>\n
Abrahams: \u00cbsht\u00eb e sakt\u00eb.<\/p>\n
Emmerson: K\u00ebto jan\u00eb faktet dhe jan\u00eb t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtat si ato q\u00eb pam\u00eb m\u00eb her\u00ebt. Branko Staliqit. Dhe mund t\u00eb shikoni ku thuhet q\u00eb sipas Fondit p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare ka ndodhur kjo ngjarja. E n\u00eb fund burimi \u00ebsht\u00eb Fondi.<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Po<\/p>\n
Emmerson: Mjaftojn\u00eb k\u00ebta shembuj p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb pyetje. Kur keni marr\u00eb k\u00ebta shembuj n\u00eb raportet e m\u00ebpasshme psh n\u00eb tetor 1998. Ju keni botuar raport p\u00ebr ndalimet dhe abuzimet ku jepni informacionin e nj\u00ebjt\u00eb, keni b\u00ebr\u00eb p\u00ebrs\u00ebritje. Ajo q\u00eb duket se ka ndodhur \u00ebsht\u00eb se burimi ka qen\u00eb media serbe. Nga media serbe shkonte te Fondi p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare, pastaj iu e merrnit si baz\u00eb at\u00eb q\u00eb ka shkruar Fondi. A e pranoni kronologjin\u00eb?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Me disa dallime.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Po iu pyes lidhur me parimet e baz\u00ebs, themelimit, ku e keni burimin. Po iu them q\u00eb pasyqroni di\u00e7ka q\u00eb n\u00eb raportin tuaj del fakt, e burimi fillimisht ka qen\u00eb mediat serbe?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: S\u00eb pari dua t\u00eb di p\u00ebr cil\u00ebn media b\u00ebhet fjal\u00eb. Sepse n\u00eb pun\u00ebn ton\u00eb kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb dallim midis mediave shtet\u00ebrore. B\u00ebnim dallim mes mediave, sepse shteti kishte kontroll t\u00eb fort\u00eb, dhe kishte organe t\u00eb tjera mediale q\u00eb ishin m\u00eb t\u00eb pavarura. Dua t\u00eb di p\u00ebr cil\u00ebn media?<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Ju nuk thoni n\u00eb raportin tuaj q\u00eb burimi \u00ebsht\u00eb te nj\u00eb media e caktuar serbe, ju thoni q\u00eb ky \u00ebsht\u00eb citmi juaj?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Po<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: A kishit besim n\u00eb median ku ishin mb\u00ebshtetur ata?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: \u00cbsht\u00eb prezumim, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb besimi im.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Ju e b\u00ebni si deklarim faktesh?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Ne kishim nivel t\u00eb lart\u00eb besimi n\u00eb Fondin p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare. Un\u00eb nuk mbaj mend ndonj\u00eb bised\u00eb q\u00eb hulumtuesit apo autor\u00ebt e tyre t\u00eb ken\u00eb folur me ta p\u00ebr k\u00ebtyre rasteve.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Juve thjesht\u00eb i merrnit faktet q\u00eb i mendoni si fakte t\u00eb tyre, dhe shkruanit raportin tuaj?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Nuk pajtohem me deklarat\u00ebn tuaj.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Deklarata 20 prill 2020. Aty thuhet se t\u00eb gjitha hulumtimet e kryera nga Fondi Humanitar kishin nj\u00eb metodologji t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt me at\u00eb ton\u00ebn. Hulumtues t\u00eb trajnuar me p\u00ebrvoj\u00eb kan\u00eb intervistuar viktima e d\u00ebshmitar\u00eb kok\u00eb m\u00eb kok\u00eb. Kur ishte e mundur kemi marr\u00eb d\u00ebshmi nga kryesit e pretenduar. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb deklarata p\u00ebr metodologjin\u00eb e raporteve tuaja. Ne sapo pam\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb shembull ku ajo q\u00eb keni b\u00ebr\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb asgj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr ve\u00e7 reciklim i raporteve dhe lajmeve serbe, dhe m\u00eb pas citoni veten tuaj. Me fjal\u00eb t\u00eb tjera pasi kalon koha, ju nuk b\u00ebni as p\u00ebrfshirjen e mediave as p\u00ebrfshirjen e Fondit, por thoni burimi jeni ne. Ju thoni q\u00eb duhen disa burime, dhe thoni q\u00eb jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb intervista t\u00eb shumta me d\u00ebshmitar\u00ebt, por nga ana tjet\u00ebr nuk e keni t\u00eb p\u00ebrfshir\u00eb n\u00eb raportet tuaja. Iu tregova q\u00eb keni marr\u00eb burime nga mediat serbe.<\/p>\n
Abrahams: E kam p\u00ebrshkruar n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb vazhdueshme se si jemi qasur k\u00ebsaj pjese t\u00eb raportit. Besoj q\u00eb jepen 11 faqe metodologji. Kemi raportuar se sa e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb ishte t\u00eb raportojm\u00eb p\u00ebr sjelljet e k\u00ebqia t\u00eb U\u00c7K-s\u00eb. Mandati yn\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrmbushur p\u00ebrmes mbledhjes t\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtjeve dhe informacionit e burimeve t\u00eb besueshme. Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb se kemi marr\u00eb burim vet\u00ebm qendr\u00ebn, por edhe UNHCR apo gazetar\u00eb t\u00eb tjer\u00eb. Kemi paraqitur burime t\u00eb tjera n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb pjes\u00eb. Ne besonim q\u00eb kishte informacion t\u00eb mjaftuesh\u00ebm t\u00eb k\u00ebtyre burimeve p\u00ebr t\u00eb mb\u00ebshtetur k\u00ebto abuzime t\u00eb pretenduara.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: A \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb p\u00ebrputhje me metodologjin\u00eb q\u00eb keni p\u00ebrshkruar ju?<\/p>\n
Abrahms: \u00cbsht\u00eb metodologji tjet\u00ebr.<\/p>\n
Emmerson: Pra deklarata nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb.<\/p>\n
Abrahms: Besoj q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrputh\u00ebse me at\u00eb q\u00eb kam th\u00ebn\u00eb sepse p\u00ebrgjith\u00ebsisht kemi ndjekur k\u00ebt\u00eb lloj qasje.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Por ti nuk thua p\u00ebrgjith\u00ebsisht por thua gjithmon\u00eb. Pjesa q\u00eb lexuat nuk e p\u00ebrshkruan metodologjin\u00eb ku ju keni marr\u00eb botime nga mediat serbe, nga Fondi Humanitar e citoni ju?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Dua t\u00eb b\u00ebj nj\u00eb dallim, kur ne b\u00ebjm\u00eb hetime lidhur me raste t\u00eb caktuara ndjekim k\u00ebt\u00eb metodologji, dhe besoj q\u00eb shpjegova se 11 faqet e raportit q\u00eb i p\u00ebrmende q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb ndryshe nga raportet e tjera. Ky raport p\u00ebr arsye q\u00eb shpjegova ka pasur burime t\u00eb dor\u00ebs s\u00eb dyt\u00eb, dhe kjo shpjegon dallimin mes asaj q\u00eb ju po n\u00ebnvizioni.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Burimi q\u00eb keni p\u00ebrdorur nga Fondi duhet t\u00eb ishte i r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Kjo i takon gjykat\u00ebs ta vler\u00ebsoj\u00eb.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: Q\u00eb t\u00eb jemi t\u00eb qart\u00eb e pranoj se ka media serbe t\u00eb ndryshme. Ne k\u00ebtu po flasim p\u00ebr at\u00eb media q\u00eb keni p\u00ebrdorur, dhe burimi juaj ka qen\u00eb Fondi p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare, dhe aty thuhet mediat nga Beogradi.<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb vend gjeografik e jo p\u00ebrshkrim etnik.<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson: N\u00ebse vjen nga mediat e Beogradit te Fondi, \u00ebsht\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme t\u00eb dihet gjat\u00eb vler\u00ebsimit t\u00eb pretendimeve faktike, n\u00ebse \u00ebsht\u00eb rezultat i metodologjis\u00eb q\u00eb p\u00ebrshkruat ju, apo thjesht\u00eb reciklim q\u00eb vjen nga mediat e Beogradit?<\/p>\n
Abrahams: Po<\/p>\n
Ben Emmerson:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
D\u00ebshmitari nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtar, Fred Abrahams, po e vazhdon d\u00ebshmin\u00eb e tij n\u00eb Gjykat\u00ebn Speciale t\u00eb Hag\u00ebs. Avokati i Kadri Veselit, Ben Emmerson, ka gjetur se raporti i hartuar nga Abrahams ka cituar Fondin p\u00ebr t\u00eb Drejt\u00ebn Humanitare. E Fondi sipas tij, i kishte marr\u00eb burimet nga mediat serbe. K\u00ebt\u00eb e ka pranuar edhe vet\u00eb d\u00ebshmitari Abrahams. […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":26107,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[23,15],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"\n